Tweets for Sat, 10 Mar 2012

Hey fam, #NYCGA is happening 60 Wall. Follow here, @LibertySqGA2, @LibertySqGA3, and @LibertySqGA4 for tweets. #OWS

The first proposal was consented to very quickly — it was for an action in opposition to Romney’s appearance 3/14 at the Waldorf Astoria.

GA waived the concerns segment of the process, finding nothing wrong with it. It’s a mock “1%ers for Romney (or Obama)” protest. #NYCGA #OWS

OK, the next proposal is for the formation of a new working group whose sole task it is to reclaim Liberty Square. #NYCGA #OWS

They note that “when we had this 24/7 occupation, we had interaction with ppl passing by- occupiers and general public, so the…” #NYCGA

Cont’d: “…general public would be introduced to new ideas, things they’d never seen before, like fracking and sustainability.” #NYCGA

“So, we’ll be trying different tactics to get our park back, and that’s it.” #NYCGA #OWS

CQ: “Are you looking for a suitable public space, or are you insisting that Liberty Square is that space?” #NYCGA #OWS

A: “Liberty Square is the symbol of #OWS, and there’s 11 subways connected to this area and the Staten Island ferry, meaning…” #NYCGA #OWS

Cont’d: “….that everywhere can come to the park. So this park is really a priority, yeah.” #NYCGA #OWS

“I think what made Wall Street tremble is that we were right in their face. So, we’d like that back.” #NYCGA #OWS

POI: “It really rattles them going to work when they see that we’re still here. And for months now, we were permitted to bring a box of…”

Cont’d: “…food to the sidewalk, and bringing it into the park.” Had no opposition from NYPD or Brookfield. So they started bussing the…

Cont’d: …plates in. “Half an hour later, in this nice warm weather, we pretty much had a cocktail party going. This bugged the man. They..

Cont’d: …sent someone over who said, ‘You need a permit to distribute food.’ I know, it’s ridiculous… but the point is, that’s a very..”

Cont’d: “…effective place.” “I don’t want this movement to become about the Park; we’re bigger than the park. We subsumed the park.”#NYCGA

Sumumba: “So, you’re saying that we’re not trying to sleep there, right? So this is just an aspect of also inreach efforts, to get ppl…”

Cont’d: “…there, and to have our speakouts or whatever.” “Would the park be a place where we can mobilize, things like that, and are we..

Cont’d: “…thinking about legal ramifications?” A: “Yes, but we feel we can occupy with ideas.” “It was a great meeting place, our…”

Cont’d: “…first HQ — we still need that contact with the public and that confrontation going on.” They will try to get a table there.

CQ: “Are we allowed to have tables now?” A: “No, that’s the problem.” “One of the great messages of the movement was, exercise yuor rights..

Cont’d: “…occupy public space. We have less and less public space; one of the last ones is the Internet & they’re even taking that away.”

CQ: “I’m really confused about what the purpose of your WG is. Are you proposing we commit to re-occupy 24/7, suing Brookfield…” #NYCGA

Cont’d: “…engaging in civil disobedience and trying to bring a table in? So my Qs are, why does this need to be a working group, and..”

Cont’d: “…what are you planning to do?” Notes we already have the Cultural Occupation Of Liberty Square going on daily. #NYCGA

A: “We want people to know that the park is a place for political debate.” So folks will come down, talk, “seek productive resolutions.”

Cont’d: “We’re going to develop strategies to go out – it depends.” “We can all agree that the park was a public political platform, right?”

CQ: “The idea that the park was awesome is not in question here — my question is, what are you trying to do?” Anthony PoPs Ravi for…

Cont’d: …going back and forth. Proposers: “This isn’t something we want just for #OWS, but for the people at large.” Want Brookfield to..

Cont’d: …recognize park as a public access park, where everyone can come and bring a table for whatever they wish. #NYCGA #OWS

Ravi: “So, the short answer is you don’t know.” A: “We don’t know yet. We’re working to create a strategy.” Anthony PoPs Ravi again. #NYCGA

CQ: “I think this is a great idea.” “I’d love it; I so miss pre-raid..” She’d be willing to be in the park all day. Supports their… #NYCGA

Cont’d: …point about outreach, tells a story about taking pictures with tourists and cluing them in. #NYCGA #OWS

POI: “I have some inside info that Brookfield would love to get out of the park and give it back to the city, which is a nightmare…”

Cont’d: “…for the city, because once they took over there’d be a lot of civil rights issues.” Notes that sidewalks are most protected…

Cont’d: …by the Constitution. Notes that policemen have been really aggressive about Info tables on the sidewalk. #NYCGA #OWS

Cont’d: “The sidewalk is where you have your rights,” not the park, “and they’re coming up with all kinds of bullcrap that it’s limited.”

CQ: “I like the proposal, but you’d alluded to whether they want to give it back, but they had an agreement – a zone abatement that…”

Cont’d: “…is an agreement between the city and them.” Asks “what board monitors that” and suggests we go to them. #NYCGA #OWS

“We just want to be able to set up our tables, with our ideas and our topics and posters, so people can come in and discuss and debate…”

Cont’d: “…like they used to be.” @CyMadD0x tells him that the CB in question is Community Board 1, and it’s a good idea to work w/ them.

OK, so we’re out of time on the proposal, we’re temp-checking extending for 10 minutes — looks good. #NYCGA #OWS

CQ: “Anyone around here remember Union Square when it used to be Union Square? Why not use Union Square? And I assume that you will…”

Cont’d: “..protect the right of any political group to use Liberty Square regardless of political position?” Yes. They want to avoid…

Cont’d: …discussion of religion for now, though. “That will come later.” #NYCGA #OWS

OK, now opening up Concerns stack. C: “Sorry, I don’t know if this is a concern or an idea, but my concern is having livestream there…”

Cont’d: “…I’ve been telling the COOLS people to get the livestream back,” nothing stopping them. Suggests that. #NYCGA #OWS

Ravi: “My concern is this doesn’t have to be a working group; it can just be ppl together doing stuff.” Notes she worries we are too…

Cont’d: …attached to the working group structure, when folks can take autonomous action. A: “All that matters is we can get things done..”

Cont’d: “…and we can take advantage of the resources of the movement, then that’s fine.” Ravi asks what resources they think they’ll need.

A: “Legal, other stuff…” “It’s a big topic. This has to be a working group because there’s a lot of work to be done.” #NYCGA #OWS

C: “You said you didn’t want religion to be discussed in the park?” A: “Yeah, it’s a suggestion — we know what religion does when it…”

Cont’d: “…is mixed with politics.” “It’s not the center of what we’re trying to do.” #NYCGA #OWS

Someone’s FA: “That you become part of direct action, because you’re taking actions to take space.” #NYCGA #OWS

Someone suggests that Ravi is always telling people with good ideas to go to another group. Steve PoPs, pointing out we’ve lost thread…

Dicey’s concern is that folks at the GA are now being gatekeepers about whose ideas are good enough to have a WG “before they do any work..”

Cont’d: “…and I question this entire process of approving working groups.” But also notes that many of this group’s goals are duplicates..

Cont’d: …between the efforts of other working groups. “I suggest you go to those groups and find out how you can connect those efforts.”

A: “If as you say there are lots of groups doing this already, I think that makes it even more needed to have one to bring it together.”

OK, we’re moving to restate the proposal. “Our group is going to push for legislation so we can get tables, our posters, back into the…”

Cont’d: “…park. We don’t need a physical occupation, we need ideas.” FAs: getting livestream, and pushing on legal angles. #NYCGA #OWS

OK, we’re moving to consensus on this proposal for a working group to “centralize the efforts” to take the park back. #NYCGA #OWS

OK, checking for consensus. 7 standasides, who have option to explain why. “What you proposed was to start a working group that…”

Cont’d: “…is aligned with direct action, and my FA is that it needs to be rolled under the umbrella of direct action.” A: Want own WG.

Next standaside: “One of your amendments is for LiveStream to be there, but at this point we’re kind of limited in equipment and #…”

Cont’d: “…and us being there every day 9-5 isn’t realistic” right now. A: “We’re not going to force you to work there.” Allegra: “Most..”

Cont’d: “…of us don’t even have essential equipment at this point.” Proposers note that this is important too, $ was raised during park.

Yoni loves what they’re doing but “having a working group is going to make it more confusing for people.” #NYCGA #OWS

Cont’d: “…although all of the work you’re proposing to do is already being done by others.” Encourages them for efforts. #NYCGA #OWS

@raviahmad @jdegroot …like the focus of it. Do you think Class War WG would exist if it had to be approved this way? Or P&ER? V&G? I awno.

So, we had 6 standasides, and no blocks. Working group formed. #NYCGA #OWS

Next proposal: “I came here a couple of weeks ago w/ an idea for a fundraiser for mass action, but ppl came to me and said…” #NYCGA #OWS

Cont’d: “…it would be hard for the groups to work together, so I created a solution. Here we go.” #NYCGA #OWS

“Meeting of the minds is created for mass action. Meeting of the minds encourages groups to agree. #OWS can move forward at a large…”

Cont’d: “…scale w/ meeting of the minds. Meeting of the minds’ goal is to have mass action pushed through GA via Direct Action at least..”

Cont’d: “…once a month.” “There are ppl who don’t get along at GA; things are blocked for this reason.” Big ups discussion, but not…

Cont’d: …infighting, which he says could stop movement cold. “Meeting of the minds will prevent tht frm happening, will push mass action.”

CQ: “Would this be something like a Spokescouncil, or a WG?” A: “Yes, but whereas that deals with regs and rules, this only deals w/…”

Cont’d: “…mass action.” Sumumba asks what he means by “meeting of the minds — is there a political education piece where we can…”

Cont’d: “…actually get on the same page with some central things so we can actually move together?” A: “Yes, once a month.” #NYCGA #OWS

CQ: “So like info and political edu will be part of that meeting?” A: “Yeah, of course. I want all the groups to attend.” #NYCGA #OWS

Yoni’s CQ: “I believe March 16th starts DA’s weekly marches.” A: “But meeting of the minds has all groups come in to develop a mass action..

Cont’d: “…if doesn’t hv to be a march, it could be anything.” Build a yoga studio, a hospital for medical, etc. Would build year-to-year.

Lauren’s CQ: “Have you considered a specific date once a month, considering all the things we already have planned, how you can…” #NYCGA

Cont’d: “…allow everybody to attend? Because it’s a serious undertaking.” A: “Once the GA passes it, I want to put it on the website…”

CQ: “Is this a working group, or a meeting?” A: “It’s like a super working group.” #NYCGA #OWS

CQ: “Would you pick 1 date a month where you’d have a mass action each day that month?” A: “I don’t know how it’s going to go.” #NYCGA #OWS

OK, concerns now. “This is a great idea to coordinate the actions once a month: FA is to make it the 17th for each month, plan for month..”

Cont’d: “…after.” Next concern is that there’s already a DA spokescouncil, invites him to attend Sun 12-4. #NYCGA #OWS

Dallas notes he heard the word “representative” a few times, and asks if “everyone gets to show up and speak,” b/c he’s concerned. #NYCGA

A: “The rep would be coordinated by the group, and would find out what to say.” Dallas notes that’s a Spokescouncil. #NYCGA #OWS

The proposer notes Spokes is only for logistics, and this would only be for mass actions. [The action spokescouncil is about actions. -Ed.]

Concern: “Have you come to a Spokescouncil meeting?” A: “No.” C: “OK, because what you’re describing sounds like it, and I’d…” #NYCGA

Cont’d: “…like to see you table this until you attend and can see it.” Allegra also notes that w/ existing meetings, already spread thin.

Sumumba thanks him for bringing his idea. “We don’t say thank you enough.” His concern is that we can add education piece to GA to…

Cont’d: …add more coordination and knowledge about actions to process. But points out he doesn’t need our approval to do whatever…

Cont’d: …and suggests he works with others to make it happen. #NYCGA #OWS

Joseph: “I support this brothers’ proposal; I’ve never been to Spokes, and somehow I think that’s a plus. Because we get into our niches..”

Cont’d: “…and I’m a community organizer, and I’ve been working in the community. I support you on this.” #NYCGA #OWS

Joann says she thinks it’s a good idea “but I don’t want representatives. I think it should be an open meeting.” Proposer accepts that FA.

Next: “My only concern is that you mentioned avoiding spaces where we disagree; I think it’s important to acknowledge that…”

Cont’d: “…we are going to disagree.” “We are all on the same path, but with different ways to get there.” “Will you follow process?”

A: “Yeah, we’ll have facilitators, but we’re going to make it easy — focus on decisions they can agree with. And focus on mass action.”

Cont’d: “The movement was built on mass action, so we can all agree that mass actions and fundraisers are the way to go.” #NYCGA #OWS

OK, proposer will restate the proposal, and we’ll move to consensus. Standasides? 10. Asking if they want to be heard. #NYCGA #OWS

Any blocks? Yeah, one. Dicey points out this is not a working group proposal, it’s an event, and GA doesn’t need to consent to events…

Cont’d: …so it should not. Also, GA doesn’t have the ability to compel participation, which this comes dangerously close to doing.

OK, we’re moving to modified consensus. Votes against? 9. Votes for? 20. It does not pass. #NYCGA #OWS

OK, moving onto announcements. First is a follow-up from the finance accountability discussion from last GA; he put notes online and…

Cont’d: …is getting a group together to work w/ outside orgs to have a collective movement accounting org. #NYCGA #OWS

Sumumba lets us know about Outreach, Monday at 6:30, and the OccuEvolve meetings 7pm Friday. #NYCGA #OWS

Next: “As most people know, COOLS occurs every day at Liberty Square, noon to 2.” Ask folks to come a couple days a week. #NYCGA #OWS

(COOLS stands for Cultural Occupation of Liberty Square), it’s an effort to focus on programming in the park. #NYCGA #OWS

Stan reminds us about the March 17th 6-month anniversary of #OWS and the actions that day! Next is about May 20th, trying to get ppl in…

Cont’d: …Central Park. #NYCGA #OWS

Last announcement tells about a piece of the Stratfor leak where a former State Dept Deputy Chief of Counterterrorism revealed that the…

…the US Gov’t is applying “the same” techniques against WikiLeaks as against Al Qaeda: go after $ and structure, and suggests that…

Cont’d: “When someone comes to us and hones in on $ and structure, we should step back, ask who they are and why they care, and…” #NYCGA

Cont’d: “…avoid reacting emotionally. They target those things in part because they are often very emotional in any organization.” #NYCGA

Ok fam! That’s it for tonight’s GA. Have a great night. Much love. #NYCGA #OWS

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